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7Apr/130

1.3GHz Low Pass Filter – The Case For

 

Today I flew the PVC quad on another shakedown flight (after fiddling with the configuration via the GCS). I was flying over a fairly large oval, not very high but on the far side from where I was sitting when all motors lost power. I believe failsafe on my Futaba kicked in. You can hear in the video that the motors stop and then just before hitting the ground, they briefly start again. I walk over to the quad from the other side of the oval, perform a quick inspection to make sure nothings broken or fallen off and without any other changes or resets, power up the OP CC3D by holding yaw right and away I go.

 
 
 
 
I've used this Futaba Tx and Rx pair in nitro fixed wing models at much further range and never had an issue. The main difference is now I have a 150mW 1.3GHz video transmitter (http://www.readymaderc.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_30_38&products_id=1018) about 20cm away from my 7 channel 2.4GHz receiver. I've read about guys using low pass filters on the vTx so I thought it might be worth checking the interaction between the 1.3Ghz vTx and the 2.4GHz Rx. Fortunately a guy from work that came out to watch carries a spectrum analyser around in his car so we set about looking at how "dirty" is the 1.3GHz vTx.
 
The screenshots of the specan show a 2GHz wide band centred at 2GHz (so it's showing from 1 - 3 GHz). The first screenshot is using the "Max Hold" function on the specan which is effectively a cumulative trace that shows the max detected levels across the band and holds it. This screenshot shows my 2.4GHz Tx as well as the in building wifi and a few other small peaks. At this point, my video transmitter is powered down.
 
 
The second screenshot on the same scale (1 to 3GHz) after the vTx has been powered up for a few seconds. You can see a peak at 1280MHz (vTx frequency) but disturbingly, across the whole band are is a whole lot of noise coming from the vTx. The second harmonic at 2560MHz appears to be right where we see the Futaba Tx.
 
 
The effect of this noisy little transmitter means it's desensitising my 2.4GHz receiver. It's like someone talking really loud (1.3GHzvTx) standing right next to you (2.4GHz Rx) when you're trying to listen to instructions from someone talking in a normal voice on the other side of the room (the 2.4GHz Tx). 
 
To address the problem a 1.3GHz low pass filter can be fitted in-line on the vTx between the output and the antenna. The low pass filter allows the video signal to be transmitted down in the 1.3GHz band but anything above roughly that frequency is heavily attenuated. The noise coming from the vTx is no longer shouting in the ear of the 2.4GHz receiver so I can hear the instructions from the transmitter much easier and at a further distance. I've ordered this low pass filter (http://www.foxtechfpv.com/1400mhz-low-pass-filter-p-439.html) from foxtechfpv to hopefully solve the problem.
 
I forgot to mention why 1.3Ghz and 2.4GHz interfere with each other - harmonics. Check it out on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic
 
What I found most useful today was being able to see the problem right there on the spectrum analyser. Being able to see the video transmitter peak at 1280MHz and then all the  smaller peaks across the rest of the band including the 2.4GHz area right where my Futaba Tx is.
 
What will be interesting to look at next is after I fit the low pass filter, how does it look on the spectrum analyser. I expect it should look much cleaner. Something else I also want to look at on the specan is the 1 watt 1.3GHz vTx  fitted to my DJI F450. I've flown that at much further range without issue. Is the vTx a much better one where it transmits only on the frequency its supposed to? I'll hook it up and find out.
 
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Without the "Max Hold" function on the specan, this is how it looks.;
 
First with the 1.3GHz vTx off
 
Then with the vTx on
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13Dec/120

Cutting the shaft on the NTM Prop Drive 28-26 1350KV / 310W

For the PVC 'BattleQuad' I'm building I ordered four 'NTM Prop Drive 28-26 1350KV / 310W' motors as I've used them before on a Hex 550 build and am quite happy with them. These motors are a little different in that you have to buy a seperate accessories pack to get a mount for the base of the motor and a prop adaptor. The motor is a little odd in the way that the shaft extends out the bottom of the motor and the prop adaptor is attached via three bolts on the opposite side from where the shaft protrudes from. In my previous build this wasn't a big problem because  the way the motors were mounted, the shaft could extend below the arm without interfering.

On my current build, the PVC 'Battlequad', the way the motor slides onto the arms, the shaft was going to get in the way. I could easy shorten the arms and cut a line down the length of the PVC pipe but I've got some plans for extended length arms so I want to keep them intact. I decide to cut the shaft off the motors. The concern with this option is in the process of cutting with the Dremel, the fine metal dust created from the cut could potentially end up getting inside the motor. 

The first method I employed to avoid this problem was to put the motor back into the re-sealable plastic bag it came in, poke just the shaft through the plastic so the motor is contained inside the back and just the shaft sticks out. The problem with this is that the bag wasn't up to the job of withstanding the red hot metal filings and a hole was quickly burnt in the bag and became a collection point for all the metal filings. My solution the keep the filings out of the motor had had the opposite effect and was actually diverting filings into the confined space around the motor and it's precious little magnets.

My next solution worked much better and was even simpler. Take a piece of cloth tape (about 8cm wide by 15cm in length), fold it in half and cut a small triangle in the centre of the fold. Flatten out the tape so now you have a piece of tape with a small diamond shaped hole in the middle, just large enough for a motor shaft to fit through. Put the tape over the motor with the shaft protruding through the small hole and Dremel away. If you've cut enough length of cloth tape, there should be plenty left to wrap around the motor and keep the metal filings out. The cloth tape is much sturdier and kept the red hot metal filings out without melting.

 

2Dec/120

PVC Quad build

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PVC Quad

PVC Quad, a set on Flickr.

The PVC quad was inspired by HelliYea's Battlequad post over on the Openpilot forums (http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/13503-battlequad/page__hl__%20battlequad).

I've seen it fly (and crash) and it shows great flight capability along with rugged frame construction.

The 15mm PVC pipe is straight from the local hardware store. RCTimer motors, KK2.0 flight controller and DJI F450 centre frame.

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29Oct/121

Quadcopter Parts List

I was asked recently what would be a good way to start in multirotors. The first question was "A tri-copter must be simpler and easier because there's only 3 motors?". I disagree. I've built quite a few tricopters and on each one explored a different way of building the yaw control mechanism on the tail motor. Some worked well, some not so well but by the time the servo is mounted and linkages hooked up, it all gets more complicated and less reliable compared bunging on a fourth motor and prop spinning in the opposite direction. I think what finally converted me was assembling the DJI F450 frame with the Naza controller. This quad was smooth and stable from the first flight and is an ideal platform for mounting a GoPro camera on for some aerial photos & videos. The downside of the DJI is that it's not cheap. I spent over $600 on the Flight controller, frame kit and GPS module and that's assuming you already have LiPo batteries, LiPo charger, radio control transmitter & receiver and other bits and pieces. It can quickly become an expensive option especially if you're just getting started.

Another option is the "toy quads" you'll find in electronics stores or maybe even the local shopping centre. They're cheap and maybe a good way to get a taste for flying multi-rotor but they have certain disadvantages;

1) The parts are generally not re-usable for your next project. The motors, ESCs and controller are so deeply integrated they're not easily adapted to another frame.

2) Often they're quite small with payload capacity to match. The small quads will struggle to carry much more than a lightweight spycam let alone a GoPro or pocket digital camera

So what to buy for a simple, cheap, respectable quadcopter with parts that could be re-used in your next project, maybe a hexcopter. This shopping list should cover absolutely everything you'd need to start from scratch.

Flight Controller: $29.99 Hobbyking KK2.0 Multi-rotor LCD Flight Control Board

Auto-level with and LCD screen for configuring and tuning. Eight outputs good for tri-copter up to Octo-copter. The downside is no barometric pressure sensor (height hold) or GPS (position hold) but at that price, those features aren't expected. It also has a built in voltage monitor that outputs an audible alarm at a programmable low voltage level. This feature requires a couple of extra wires soldered to the board and is well worth the trouble.

 

Frame: $17.99, Q450 Glass Fiber Quadcopter Frame 450mm - Integrated PCB Version

A simple, sturdy frame that comes with an allen key for the 2.5 and 3mm boltsand even a velcro strap for the battery. The lower board has an integrated PCB which means there's no need a messy power distribution cable arrangement

 

Motors: $14.99 (x4), NTM Prop Drive Series 28-26A 1200kv / 250w

Ideal size and power for this frame. The mouting holes align perfectly. Something odd with this motor I hadn't come across before was the shaft sticking out the rear / bottom of the motor. The accessories pack is needed as a propeller mount and uses three bolts to attach to the motor. I quite like this method as compared to the prop savers with the rubber o-ring or the collet style adaptors.

 

$1.89 (x4), NTM Prop Drive 28 Series Accessory Pack

You won't need the motor mount or the four silver screws, just the prop adaptor. With the Q450 frame, the bolts go through the frame and straight into the bottom of the motor.

 

$12.19 (x4), TURNIGY Plush 30amp Speed Controller

Simple, reliable, does what it's supposed to without any fuss. The difference in weight between the 18, 25 and 30 Amp ESCs is barely worth compromising the current capacity for.

 

$1.59, PolyMax 3.5mm Gold Connectors 10 PAIRS (20PC)

Some might solder their motor wires straight to the ESC but I've never been organised enough to plan that far ahead. I need the flexibility to swap any two of the three motor wires. I've read alot about bad or loose connections that have caused crashes. I've never experienced this type of failure. I think probably because it all comes down to a good solder joint.

 

$2.46, Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045R (4 pc - Green, RH Rotation)

Eight inch, Right Hand (RH / Clockwise) rotation. Four to a pack but you'll only need two with two spares. At these prices though, if you're ordering any spares, props should be high on the list. Get two packs.

 

$2.29, Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045 SF (4 pc - Green)

As above but they turn the other way. I like coloured props (as opposed to black) because they're much easier to see. In bright daylight, black props look almost invisible compared to green props which seem to present a good contrast against the sky.

 

$4.75, 10CM Male to Male Servo Lead (JR) 26AWG (10pcs/set)

These connect the receiver to the inputs on the flight controller board.

 

$16.38, Turnigy 2200mAh 4S1P 20C Lipo Pack

Minimum capacity and C rating you'd want to use for a decent flight time.

 

Now up until this point, it's assumed you already have some RC equipment from other projects. For those that are starting out and need a LiPo charger and Transmitter / Receiver etc, here are some suggestions.

$53.95, Turnigy 9X 9Ch Transmitter w/ Module & 8ch Receiver (Mode 1) (v2 Firmware)

From accounts I've read online, the Turnigy radios are a good way to get started. A nine channel radio and receiver for just over $50 is good value! This package doesn't come with batteries or charger but seeing as most people will already have these, it makes sense for Hobbyking to exclude these parts.

 

$6.89, HobbyKing 1500mAH LiFe 3S 9.9v Transmitter pack.

A Tx is no good without power. Compatible with the charger below but you'll need another lead for charging.

 

 

$16.99, HobbyKing 50watt 5A X-Charger/Balancer

This battery charger will be enough to get you up and running doing balanced charges on LiPo's. It will also charge NiMH and NiCd batteries often used in transmitters. Note - it is a DC only input so you'll have to hook it up to a car battery or similar and can't plug it onto 110 / 240 AC wall outlets. For a charger with both DC & AC input, look at a "B6-AC Plus - Charger/Discharger 1-6 Cells Dual Power (COPY)" or better.

 

 

$2.69, Charging harness

Use this harness to charge the Tx LiFe battery. You'll probably never use ALL the connectors on this charging harness but even if it means cutting some off and re-purposing with a different connector, for a few dollars it takes the pain out of soldering up wires to banana leads.

 

I think that's pretty much everything you'd need to get in the air with a decent quad. The best thing about this setup is that down the track you could directly swap the KK2.0 control board for maybe a DJI Naza controller and add altitude and position hold, without having to change any motors or ESCs. The parts are all fairly cheap to replace so those first few crashes shouldn't be too painful on the wallet. If you can afford to, get two frames (1 for spare) so you don't have to wait weeks for another delivery from Hong Kong to repair / replace parts. Spare propellers are a must have and considering the price of them, it's a no brainer to order a few more packs of them.

There are a few more items like spare battery packs and LED strip lighting that you'll probably want to add down the track but for now the objective is to get a quad in the air for cheap, but not too cheap to make it nasty.

Ok so to recap, here's the parts list summary and totals;

 

Flight Controller: $29.99 Hobbyking KK2.0 Multi-rotor LCD Flight Control Board

Frame: $17.99, Q450 Glass Fiber Quadcopter Frame 450mm - Integrated PCB Version

Motors: $14.99 (x4), NTM Prop Drive Series 28-26A 1200kv / 250w

$1.89 (x4), NTM Prop Drive 28 Series Accessory Pack

$12.19 (x4), TURNIGY Plush 30amp Speed Controller

$1.59, PolyMax 3.5mm Gold Connectors 10 PAIRS (20PC)

$2.46, Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045R (4 pc - Green, RH Rotation)

$2.29, Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045 SF (4 pc - Green)

$4.75, 10CM Male to Male Servo Lead (JR) 26AWG (10pcs/set)

$16.38, Turnigy 2200mAh 4S1P 20C Lipo Pack

$53.95, Turnigy 9X 9Ch Transmitter w/ Module & 8ch Receiver (Mode 1) (v2 Firmware)

$6.89, HobbyKing 1500mAH LiFe 3S 9.9v Transmitter pack.

$16.99, HobbyKing 50watt 5A X-Charger/Balancer

$2.69, Charging harness

 

A grand total of $272.25. A bit pricier than I was aiming to get it but don't forget that theres about $80 worth of radio and charging gear that can be re-used in the next multirotor. Once you've built one, you won't stop at that. Tri, quad, hex, octo ... they're all possible with these same parts.

****If I've forgotten anything on the list, leave me a comment below 🙂

18Oct/120

Imitation DJI F550 build

Parts used in this build;

H550 V2 Glass Fiber Hexcopter Frame 550mm - Integrated PCB Version

9 Mode Multi Colour/Multi Function LED strip with Control Unit

Hobbyking KK2.0 Multi-rotor LCD Flight Control Board

NTM Prop Drive Series 28-26A 1200kv / 250w

NTM Prop Drive 28 Series Accessory Pack

TURNIGY Plush 30amp Speed Controller

Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045R (4 pc - Green, RH Rotation)

Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045SF (4 pc)

 

 

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8Aug/120

Flips & Rolls with the Naza F450 Quad

This video shows my first loops and rolls with the DJI Naza F450 Quad. I did at least one in every direction (left, right, forwards and backwards). The entire flight was flown via FPV which I found much easier for these moves. Flying line of sight at this height and distance makes it hard to maintain orientation.

A guy that started flying the F450 about the same time as me told me how he tried to roll it, it got half way and dived into the ground. Broke an arm or two and some props. Thanks to the well thought out F450 frame, he was back up and running in no time but after hearing such a tale I was a bit apprehensive to try it myself..... until now. With my FPV gear up and running it's much easier to gain a lot of height and maintain orientation. 

The setup is a stock F450 quad with 8" props and 4S battery (4000mAh on this flight). Other than the gain settings as described here (http://fangin.com/blog/2012/08/07/dji-naza-f450-gain-settings-flips-and-rolls/), there's not much to it. Gain plenty of height and bang the stick over. I can see how if the gains were set too low, the roll rate might not be quick enough to complete the roll without losing too much height. 

 

22Jul/120

New GoPro Mount for the DJI F450 Quad

I used the DJI F450 Quad and GoPro v1 to take some photos of a house under construction but found with the GoPro mounted flat on the front tab of the frame, most of the photos were angled too high and showed plenty of the roof of the house but not much more. Also the props were quite prominent in the photos and video. i needed something to angle the GoPro towards the ground but I didn't want to mount the GoPro hanging beneath the frame.

Easy solution, buy one of these http://arkrc.com.au/cpgpmount-crudd-parts-gopro-mount/ . But I prefer to make things where I can so I bought some 3mm perspex from bunnings, cut a 7 x 4 cm square, heated it with a mini blowtorch for the bend and Bob's your uncle, a new GoPro mount.

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6Jul/120

4S 5000mAh on the Naza Quad

I threw the 4S 5000mAh battery on the DJI Naza F450 Flamewheel quad. I expected the battery might be a bit too heavy weighing in at 530gr plus the weight of the GoPro camera plus EagleTree Logger, EagleTree GPS and the DJI GPS, the Flamewheel has put on a bit of weight since it's maiden flight. I'll have to weigh all those parts and see what they contribute to the all up weight.

I was pleasantly surprised at the climb rate even with a half kilo battery onboard. The EagleTree log shows I flew for around 16 minutes of fairly sedate hovering with six ascents to high altitude.

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29Jun/122

DJI Naza Voltage Protection Levels

This is how I've set my first and second level protection voltage thresholds. I found the default setting with 14.8 Volts in the 'No Load' without any value in the 'Loss' field meant the Second Level Protection kicked in far too early and the Quad became sluggish to ascend. Even at full throttle, it would only rise very slowly. Flicking it into manual mode and the Quad would take off like a rocket. That tells me the battery has plenty of juice left in it but the Naza is artificially limiting the maximum throttle available by slowly moving the mid-point up. 

The results from the Eagle Tree logger show a loaded voltage level throughout the entire flight. 14.4 and 14.2 is probably a bit conservative but I'll test it out and see how it goes. I reckon I might change it to 14.2 and 14.0. We'll see.

 

 

****Update - 5th July 2012

I think these values are too conservative. On the last flight, 2nd level kicked in and I still had about 50% left in the 2650mAh 4S. I've set them to 14.2 and 14.0 (zero loss) and will do another test flight. The Eagletree logger is fantastic for this type of problem.

28Jun/120

Stabilise Filter Example – Telstra Tower

 

On the left is the original footage from the DJI Naza F450 GoPro. On the right is the "stabilised" version. By uploading the original to YouTube, applying the stabilise, then downloading the MP4 and running it back through YouTube you're able to see a side by side comparison. 

The stabilised filter has some funny side effects where it appears as though the video is suddenly zoomed in and out. The blurriness of the RHS probably isn't a fair representation because that side has been uploaded, compressed, and downloaded.

The process does crop the video slightly and uses the edges as a buffer to remove the sudden  movements from side to side or up and down. 

The videos are in pretty good time sync but you may notice the RHS looks like it's behind the LHS. This lag is due to the smoothing effect of the filter and sudden movements take a little bit more time to catch-up with the RHS.

I've since changed the mount that the GoPro uses and without any post-processing the video is quite smooth. It will be interesting to see how smooth a video would look from the new mount after applying the stabilise filter.

Overall for this type of video, the stabilise filter does a pretty good job.

 

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